'Discussion' with an 'athari' critic of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab:
Critic: Miaw is an absolute fool & extremist khaariji beliefs for doing mass takfeer and killing people.
Me: okay... So do you disagree with his 'Aqeedah or his methodology?
Critic: Both.
Me: On what issues
Critic: Miaw is an absolute fool & extremist khaariji beliefs for doing mass takfeer and killing people.
Me: okay... So do you disagree with his 'Aqeedah or his methodology?
Critic: Both.
Me: On what issues
of 'Aqeedah do you differ with him on?
Critic: His takfeer and killing!
Me: Habeebi, those are not 'Aqeedah issues, bring me 'Aqeedah issues from his books that you disagree with.
Critic: Tareekh ibn ghannaam and durar sanniyyah shows he has khaariji beliefs
Me: Those are
Critic: His takfeer and killing!
Me: Habeebi, those are not 'Aqeedah issues, bring me 'Aqeedah issues from his books that you disagree with.
Critic: Tareekh ibn ghannaam and durar sanniyyah shows he has khaariji beliefs
Me: Those are
books of tareekh my friend, so which issue of 'Aqeedah do you differ with him on? Perhaps on doing du'a to the dead? Believing that the pious dead can benefit with certainty?
Critic: ...No no I believe they're also acts of kufr/shirk.
Me: So your disagreement with him is
Critic: ...No no I believe they're also acts of kufr/shirk.
Me: So your disagreement with him is
manhaji/methodological?
Critic: ...yeah you could say that
Me: So why did you say you disagree with his 'Aqeedah?
Critic: okay okay I disagree with his manhaj on takfeer, not 'Aqeedah
Me: Okay good so you're wahabi in 'Aqeedah but not in methodology?
Critic: erm...
Critic: ...yeah you could say that
Me: So why did you say you disagree with his 'Aqeedah?
Critic: okay okay I disagree with his manhaj on takfeer, not 'Aqeedah
Me: Okay good so you're wahabi in 'Aqeedah but not in methodology?
Critic: erm...
Me: so what do you disagree with him on manhaj?
Critic: His takfeer
Me: Well if you agree with him on core issues of 'Aqeedah then you're just differing with him on tanzeel of the hukm, which is takfeer. On other words you're just a wahabi that has a wider net
Critic: His takfeer
Me: Well if you agree with him on core issues of 'Aqeedah then you're just differing with him on tanzeel of the hukm, which is takfeer. On other words you're just a wahabi that has a wider net
of excuses for not doing takfeer 🤔
Manhaji differences shouldn't make you emotionally rant about your opponent to this degree of villifcation especially since you agree with the core issues of 'Aqeedah.
Critic: Then what about his killing?
Me: Yes he was forced into
Manhaji differences shouldn't make you emotionally rant about your opponent to this degree of villifcation especially since you agree with the core issues of 'Aqeedah.
Critic: Then what about his killing?
Me: Yes he was forced into
fighting by his opponents as clarified by the very books you use to defame him such as tareekh ibn ghannaam and others.
Critic: bbbbbut what about his takfeer on the ottomans?
Me: Yes he gave a general takfeer (mutlaq) on the ottoman army that came to fight him and restore the
Critic: bbbbbut what about his takfeer on the ottomans?
Me: Yes he gave a general takfeer (mutlaq) on the ottoman army that came to fight him and restore the
Shrines so people can continue worshipping them and guess what? al-jabarti records that the ottoman seniors themselves did takfeer of that army from Egypt!
Critic: bbbbut miaw had khaariji beliefs and did mass takfeer
Me: Alright time for you to sit down and acknowledge
Critic: bbbbut miaw had khaariji beliefs and did mass takfeer
Me: Alright time for you to sit down and acknowledge
that you do not know how to give just & pinpointed criticism on figures that you disagree with but instead parrot what others say without looking into the statements and events yourself, all while you don't disagree in 'Aqeedah. Shameful.
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