"How can Allah be above and also descend?"
The argument in the original tweet is the same argument used by the Jahmis, and the Ashairah wonder why they're labelled as Jahmis.
Below I will share how the Imams of the Salaf responded to this in a simple and straightforward way.
The argument in the original tweet is the same argument used by the Jahmis, and the Ashairah wonder why they're labelled as Jahmis.
Below I will share how the Imams of the Salaf responded to this in a simple and straightforward way.
فقد سئل عبدالله بن المبارك: "يا أبا عبدالرحمن كيف ينزل؟" فقال ابن المبارك: "ينزل كيف يشاء"
Abdallah Ibn Al-Mubarak (181) was asked, "Oh Aba Abd Al-Rahman How is the descent?" Ibn Al-Mubarak said "descends however he wills"
(الأسماء والصفات ص 453)، (عقيدة السلف أصحاب الحديث)
Abdallah Ibn Al-Mubarak (181) was asked, "Oh Aba Abd Al-Rahman How is the descent?" Ibn Al-Mubarak said "descends however he wills"
(الأسماء والصفات ص 453)، (عقيدة السلف أصحاب الحديث)
قال الفضيل ابن عياض" إذا قال لك جهمي أنا أكفر برب يزول عن مكانه فقل: أنا أؤمن برب يفعل ما يشاء."
Al-Fudayl Ibn Iyad (187) said "if a Jahmi says to you, I disbelieve in a lord that descends from his place, say I believe in a lord that does whatever he wills"
(خلق أفعال العباد)
Al-Fudayl Ibn Iyad (187) said "if a Jahmi says to you, I disbelieve in a lord that descends from his place, say I believe in a lord that does whatever he wills"
(خلق أفعال العباد)
الإمام حماد بن زيد
فقد سئل: "يا أبا إسماعيل: الحديث الذي جاء، ينزل الله إلى السماء الدنيا، يتحول من مكان إلى مكان؟ فسكت حماد بن زيد ثم قال: هو في مكانه يقرب من خلقه كيف يشاء".
"Imam Hammad bin Zayd (179) l was asked: the hadith about Allah descend to the lowest heaven:
فقد سئل: "يا أبا إسماعيل: الحديث الذي جاء، ينزل الله إلى السماء الدنيا، يتحول من مكان إلى مكان؟ فسكت حماد بن زيد ثم قال: هو في مكانه يقرب من خلقه كيف يشاء".
"Imam Hammad bin Zayd (179) l was asked: the hadith about Allah descend to the lowest heaven:
moves from place to place? Hammad bin Zayd went silent then said he is in his place and draws nearer to his creation however he wills".
((العلو/ للذهبي)) (ص 107)،
((العلو/ للذهبي)) (ص 107)،
يحيى بن معين قال:
"إذا سمعت الجهمي يقول: أنا كفرت برب ينزل.
فقل: أنا أؤمن برب يفعل ما يريد"
Yahyah bin Maen (233) said: "if you hear a Jahmi saying: I disbelieve in a lord that descends, say: I believe in a lord that does whatever he wants"
"إذا سمعت الجهمي يقول: أنا كفرت برب ينزل.
فقل: أنا أؤمن برب يفعل ما يريد"
Yahyah bin Maen (233) said: "if you hear a Jahmi saying: I disbelieve in a lord that descends, say: I believe in a lord that does whatever he wants"
ورواية أخرى عن يحيى بن معين تؤيد هذه: "إذا قال لك الجهمي": وكيف ينزل؟ فقل: كيف يصعد؟"
And in another narration from Yahya Ibn Maen "if a Jahmi says to you": how is the descent? Say: How is the ascend?
رواها ابن بطة في ((الإبانة)) كما في ((اجتماع الجيوش)) (ص 141
And in another narration from Yahya Ibn Maen "if a Jahmi says to you": how is the descent? Say: How is the ascend?
رواها ابن بطة في ((الإبانة)) كما في ((اجتماع الجيوش)) (ص 141
The issue is they read ascend, descend and imagine "How" Allah does it is the same as humans.
But we do not know the "How" (Kayfiyyah) of Allah's attributes, we simply affirm that he does it and in whatever way he wills as the Salaf stated.
But we do not know the "How" (Kayfiyyah) of Allah's attributes, we simply affirm that he does it and in whatever way he wills as the Salaf stated.
I wonder if they even realise how the arguments they use to build their aqeedah is the exact same ones the Jahmiyyah used against the righteous Imams of the Salaf.
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