Recently learned from a @Gautam__Baid sir video (youtube.com video on how to generate investment ideas):
something which is common to all achievers is their art of saying no. I have learned the same in my studies. This thread contains a list of ideas I said no to.
something which is common to all achievers is their art of saying no. I have learned the same in my studies. This thread contains a list of ideas I said no to.
Format:
1οΈβ£ What I liked about that company.
2οΈβ£ What I did not like about the company.
3οΈβ£ Why I did not invest in the company.
Other investors can have a different perception about the company & investment & that is okay. Because & repeat after me:
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1οΈβ£ What I liked about that company.
2οΈβ£ What I did not like about the company.
3οΈβ£ Why I did not invest in the company.
Other investors can have a different perception about the company & investment & that is okay. Because & repeat after me:
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3οΈβ£ Slow growth of end user industry. Uncertainty over capacity ramp up. & What I thought were availability of more 'sustainable' growth stories meant that I did not invest in Pokarna. (Technically i held small tracking quantity for few months, then lost conviction).
Huge TAM (Total addressable market) with high growth. Parent company APL Apollo was helping with brand building via @SrBachchan . Working capital was NEGATIVE. Wow. Valuations were low.
At least to my mind, the merger was a huge value destruction event for tricoatshareholders. You were going down the value curve & being forced to own a commoditized company at higher valuations.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Thanks, but no thanks.
3οΈβ£ I could see that EV space is very dynamic. It is incredibly hard to tell which battery chemistry would win. Hard to see whether amara raja would have a right to win (RTW) in the end game.
See Tesla Battery day For how dynamic this space is:
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See Tesla Battery day For how dynamic this space is:
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3οΈβ£ Would I buy the best cement maker? Or the best steel maker? No. For that reason, I chose to not own armaan financial. The end user concentration does not make me comfortable. Growth looks relatively unsustainable unless they diversify the end user.
3οΈβ£ I found myself & my own style through investments like these. I realized that for me owning commodity type companies is very hard. No growth triggers. No certainty of growth. This helped me shape my investment style better.
2οΈβ£ Valuations were stretched at ipo. Valuations were stretched at the listing price. When indigo expanded into tier 1 cities, it would have to fight its David v Goliath battle even harder.
3οΈβ£ Stretched valuations meant that I did not apply to the IPO. Stretched valuations meant no margin of safety & so i could not & cannot take a large position here.
2οΈβ£ To me the risk of this investment is the extrapolation investors are doing, looking at Wuxi & Samsung biologicsβs growth & valuation multiples & demanding higher valuation for syngene. This frontending of returns is risky.
3οΈβ£ Syngene itself has proved how hard it is to scale up Bio CDMO. Itβs hard to see more than 15-20% growth here. Asset heavy. Entry barriers are definitely very high. But with low growth, In my understanding paying up a premium valuation takes away from my margin of safety
3οΈβ£ The lack of a clear growth trigger, spec chem being flat & large capex which was delayed by covid were some reasons i did not invest immediately. But I am watching it like a hawk. Attending concalls. Looking for growth to come back.
2οΈβ£ Their plant is in ankleshwar which is one of most polluted towns in India. Whats more, they have been reprimanded by GPCB for polluting. Add to that their plan to expand capacities in same ankleshwar complex.
2οΈβ£ I could not find any competitive advantages here. On top of that business is low margin. Felt like a commoditized service business. Route does have a clear opportunity to move higher up the value chain (interactive AI based Whats app services).
3οΈβ£ Could not buy a business without competitive advantages at high multiples. Since then, valuations have increased.
2οΈβ£ The diesel engine is a sunset industry. In such an industry, no valuation is too low. Besides, entire 2W space has not seen meaningful volume growth for very long.
3οΈβ£ Itβs hard to bet on OEMs for EV IMO. Its very hard to tell who will win. Plus, likes of Ola can bleed listed peers like ampere (greaves). Low operating margins here.
2οΈβ£ No concalls, so it is hard to know what is going on in the co. 15% growth was not anything to write home about.
3οΈβ£ I decided not to own Axtel because I could find better investment opportunities & their valuations (25-30 p/e) looked a bit stretched given their growth targets.
2οΈβ£ Jyoti resins has some serious allegations of price manipulation from yesteryears. In addition, their P&L statement is artificially inflated due to capitalizing the expenses directly to balance sheet rather than taking it through the P&L.
3οΈβ£ Wonβt go down the quality curve in a bull market. This is where i draw the line in terms of corporate governance.
2οΈβ£ Astral & supreme are leading well-entrentched players with leadership position in CPVC pipes. It is not clear how and if prince can win against incumbents. Astral does higher ad spends too.
3οΈβ£ Was not willing to pay a premium valuation when RTW is uncertain. Growth was good, but below my required threshold too.
2οΈβ£ They do not seem to recognise the challenge that XPEL poses. XPEL has an innovative direct to consider business model through which they are building the XPEL brand. Promoters are also taking huge fees thus short changing minority shareholders.
2οΈβ£ Turns out the US generics business had not bottomed out. Turns out the margin for this business can break every lower low & become lower. Strides management is not exactly known for compounded value creation.
3οΈβ£ Since strides only owns one third of stellis, I ended up not buying βthe beastβ for promise of the demerged βbeautyβ. Because it was clear that I did not have enough data to know how much of stellis would i own. How much could i suffer due to US generics?
2οΈβ£ Very complex geographical layout with manufacturing subsidiaries in many countries. End market seems to be small & slow growing for most products. So itβd be hard for them to gain market share, in some cases wresting it away from Clean sciences.
3οΈβ£ I put this in thee too hard bucket. Also hard to tell who will win between Clean & Camlin when they go head to head. Camlin claim to have same efficiency as clean, so hard to predict the winner.
2οΈβ£ No growth in 2W volumes. Covid hit the industry hard. Without growth, value becomes value trap. I also could not understand why they are present in all EV 2W supply chains. What is the secret sauce in their LEDs?
3οΈβ£ Tracking closely. Have to see 2W industry volumes pick up before I can invest in india focussed Auto Ancs. In the lack of growth, dont really feel like investing.
Their GMS / active buyer has been rising which will fund the next leg of growth. People are shopping more on etsy than ever before. Urge their creators to make process videos & share. Customize your e-com purchase. So innovative.
2οΈβ£ I realised that the valuations dont leave much margin of safety on the table. That makes it really hard to take a large position.
3οΈβ£ Company can do well & still leave me poorer due to derating. This is why i did not invest in Etsy, even though the business is truly remarkable & exceptional. Has carved out a niche for itself.
My key learnings about myself through these 'NO's are:
1. I insist on a margin of safety.
2. I insist on there being significant topline growth
3. I do not want to bet on promoters who want to shortchange minority shareholders.
4. I wont buy that which I find too complex
1. I insist on a margin of safety.
2. I insist on there being significant topline growth
3. I do not want to bet on promoters who want to shortchange minority shareholders.
4. I wont buy that which I find too complex
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