@Raaaatiba 1. This silly artwork is a very low-IQ mockery and cheap attempt at devaluing essential concepts relating to faith (devaluation of concepts such as what constitutes religious supplication or invocation/prayer by falsely strawmanning the opponents' understanding as though..
@Raaaatiba 2..they are postulating that religious supplication to the unseen (transcendental) [as part of worship] can be somewhat narrowed down to just 'distance from the caller to the called' - a position the opponent never claimed).
@Raaaatiba 3. ..Notice, first of all, the irony in these low-IQ individuals that in the REAL world advocate (or refuse to accept) what are RATHER OBVIOUS forms of religious supplication/prayer, e.g, raising your hands out and seeking transcendental remedies from agents..
@Raaaatiba 4.. [namely ‘saints’ but characteristically identical to what are known as "intermediary deities" that are found across various polytheistic religions in anthropological records – so much so that many anthropologists call the likes of these low-IQ “saint invokers" as ..
@Raaaatiba 5. ..“de facto polytheists”, their belief as “de facto worship” and their saints as “de facto mini-gods” (see attachment from anthro edu site)]. Why? Well, of course, they don’t just take two steps further from a tomb and get called a "mushrik" just like that!
@Raaaatiba 6. .. Not at all! This is what these idiots always try to divert everyone’s attention to. They are always about “oh, why did you not say Mr. X is a mushrik too, look he did this”, “What if I ask a cup of water from a paralyzed patient, is that shirk??”,..
@Raaaatiba 7. .. “what if I take two steps back what about that??” – all this what-about-teries and what-if-eries based on their silly shubuhat about theoreticals and misconstruing of opponents’ positions WHILST they scramble to hide THE ELEPHANT in the room (i.e, what they ACTUALLY do..
@Raaaatiba 8. .. in the name of “istighatha” and how they do NOT at all relate to “just taking two steps back from a tomb and getting called a mushrik”).
WHAT DO THEY ACTUALLY DO?
What they ACTUALLY do is so BRAZENLY SIMILAR to what other polytheists do that they are being ..
WHAT DO THEY ACTUALLY DO?
What they ACTUALLY do is so BRAZENLY SIMILAR to what other polytheists do that they are being ..
@Raaaatiba 9. ..termed as “de facto polytheists” .. uh uh, no no no, not just by Salafists, you see for yourself – forget about the anthropolgist's screenshot below, even an illiterate villager in some European jungles would be able to tell you that the POWER and ROLE of listening to..
@Raaaatiba 10. ..everyone’s prayers, calls and cries for remedies everywhere anywhere anytime in any language knowing and hearing everyone (hazir nazir) while reahing ALL of them at the SAME TIME, being present for everyone while they turn to them and pray to them..
@Raaaatiba 11. .. (for their intercession for remedies with regards to their life crises, miracles of healing, for cure of disease for what not) with utmost devotion and reverence – that POWER AND ROLE is not what an ordinary human possesses, it is the POWER AND ROLE of a DEITY!..
@Raaaatiba 12.. Is it JUST two steps from the power and role of an ordinary human? Is it just about distance?? Ya low IQ? Ya two braincell!
“So, I just take two steps back and I become mushrik blood halal, ayi ayi ayi??” –
Two steps? Just two steps??? From the power and role of..
“So, I just take two steps back and I become mushrik blood halal, ayi ayi ayi??” –
Two steps? Just two steps??? From the power and role of..
@Raaaatiba 13. .. an ordinary human who can ONLY listen to one person talk from 2 feet and needs to sleep, rest, eat (not 24/7) to saying he can now hear everyone everywhere in the universe in any language 24/7 without tiring; hearing and knowing everyone ALL AT THE SAME TIME is just..
@Raaaatiba 14..TWO steps back ya 0 IQ?? There are people who literally have “salah” dedicated to other than Allah mimicking the salah to Allah wherein they directly pray to other than Allah ("ya fatima agithini") in their ritual all under this excuse of "not worship bro, not praying bro,.
@Raaaatiba 15. .. its just like taking two steps back from 3.5m to 3.7, its just like asking your mum for a cup noodle” – how pathetic is such excuses that even a hindu would laugh at - (that’s how obviously this is an act of actual praying (supplicating) in a clear religious sense to..
@Raaaatiba 16. .. another entity other than God) - whilst virtually mimicking universal gestures of worship and supplication but shamelessly denying that it is worship/supplication -pathetic. Just like Christians that mimic universal concepts of “more than one God” whilst denying that..
@Raaaatiba 17. .. it is “more than one God” – brainwash.
Do you not realize that the matter concerning the unseen (aka the transcendental/the supernatural) is where all sorts of violation to the rights of Allah occur? Worship by its nature INVOLVE the unseen (people make up false tales ..
Do you not realize that the matter concerning the unseen (aka the transcendental/the supernatural) is where all sorts of violation to the rights of Allah occur? Worship by its nature INVOLVE the unseen (people make up false tales ..
@Raaaatiba 18. .. about the unseen and overstep about nature of the unseen – be it giving a living person supernatural roles and powers elevating him beyond what he is (happened in the past where living rulers were often thought of as such) or a dead one (happens always to this day)..
@Raaaatiba 19..When a person is dead, there is now leeway to concoct all sorts of religious false notions/ideas. (because we can’t see!), so they do (polytheists and heretics make false religions & sects concerning the unseen). We know from experiences what the limits of a living person is.
@Raaaatiba 20. ..But, what about the dead? When you give the freedom to make things up about them, the sky is the limit (or should I say nothing is). The pandora’s box opens. Where can they hear? How much can they hear? How many at a time? Anybody’s guess as they like?? You concoct!
@Raaaatiba 21.Look at the result of ur concoction! Jilani can hear millions anywhere anytime everyone’s situation millions at the same time tireless – u concocted so much (like other religions where they give similar role to THEIR dead ancestors) – u now OVERLAP with the right of Allah.
@Raaaatiba 22. Human beings are naturally drawn towards the idea of supernatural (the idea of an existence beyond what we experience). Humans by their very nature reach out to the transcendental (unseen) and seek out remedies that the natural world cannot provide.
@Raaaatiba 23. This is universal and attached to the very conceptual basis of cross-cultural worship. This concept of reaching out/turning to the unseen thru what we call petition, invocation or supplication to establish a relational devotion towards an agent/entity is simply where the..
@Raaaatiba 24. .. very idea of worship and prayer begins. And, we say, this universally acknowledged construct that we know as ‘supplication’ to the unseen for transcendental achievement (despite ur attempt to laughably make ur invocation to ur saints not look like so), this relational..
@Raaaatiba 25..devotion and reliance thru invocation that we call worship, this role of listening to the cries of all, anywhere reachable simultaneously without limit – these we know by way of reasoning and revelation BELONG TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE (ALLAH) ALONE! They r the rights of..
@Raaaatiba 26. .. Allah ALONE. When you OVERLAP and take away or give anyone or anything (whatever word u call it – awlia, kaka, kuku, kiki) share in them with Allah, then you are simply NOT a muslim. The scholars made concession with regards to some particular cases where they, ..
@Raaaatiba 27.. although with regards to the unseen, were so obviously like a human-to-human relationship [standing next to the grave thinking the grave-dweller can hear him in no more different way than he would – although silly bidah but concedeable] – it doesn’t mean..
@Raaaatiba 28.. now we give people leeway about the unseen about the nature of the power and role of the dead (where people often end up exploiting, give superhuman godly roles and deify the dead ones). This is where we DO NOT compromise seeing how it can easily..
@Raaaatiba 29. ..overlap with the right of Allah (and it certainly does with ur concepts of jilani Badawi being hazir nazir i.e, god-like role). There is a reason why scholars are strict about “from afar” – one just opened the pandora’s box. If afar why not also listening everyone?
@Raaaatiba 30. .. If everyone why not every language..? if every language why not knowing their situation simultaneously too.. what’s next? Oh we already have people saying “their dead ones have the control over every atom that exists in the universe”.
@Raaaatiba 31.Not just two step back in distance from the tomb is it? the list goes on. No compromise! This is our faith! Islam is not a joke. I am sorry if it is for u.
&, this kind of silly arguments (that u put in the image) can be had about many other things related to crucial faith..
&, this kind of silly arguments (that u put in the image) can be had about many other things related to crucial faith..
@Raaaatiba 32.. Imagine someone doing a full-prostration towards a hindu idol and when you say this is kufr akbar he says “well, I saw you the other day slightly bending your head to it too.. so you are saying bending 135 degree is kufr akbar[blood halal].. but bending 2 degree is not?..
@Raaaatiba 33. Is adding two more degrees kufr akbar too? – how pathetic are such arguments when the person knows very well that what he is doing (i.e, ACTUALLY prostrating is nowhere relatable by any sane standard to the other person’s slight bend of the head).
@Raaaatiba 34. Btw, reference to the anthropology of various religions in the thread here: (nobody is saying we take our religion from anthropologists, but it serves as a point and is completely logical [and in line with Quranic objectivity]).
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