In the next tweet is an example of how the average conversation with these lot goes. Notice the inconsistency in their approach.
After that i'll cite the stance of the สพaสพimma of the salaf and those who followed them
After that i'll cite the stance of the สพaสพimma of the salaf and those who followed them
สพAสพimma of the salaf: Allฤh has a hand, as He described Himself
Ahlul kalฤm: No, that's tashbฤซh because a hand is a limb!
Salafi's: So u also deny hearing then?
Ahlul kalฤm: No we don't!
Salafi's: Why not?
Ahlul kalฤm: Because He said "Laysa kamitlihi Shay"
๐
Ahlul kalฤm: No, that's tashbฤซh because a hand is a limb!
Salafi's: So u also deny hearing then?
Ahlul kalฤm: No we don't!
Salafi's: Why not?
Ahlul kalฤm: Because He said "Laysa kamitlihi Shay"
๐
That's how the average conversation goes
When a hand is affirmed it must be a limb according to them, but when hearing is affirmed it doesn't have to be an ear because "Laysa kamitlihi shay"
When a hand is affirmed it must be a limb according to them, but when hearing is affirmed it doesn't have to be an ear because "Laysa kamitlihi shay"
The สพaสพimma of the salaf and those who followed them were clear tho
Nuสฟaim ibn Hammฤd:
"ู ููู ุดูุจูููู ุงูููููู ุจูุดูููุกู ู ููู ุฎููููููู ููููุฏู ููููุฑู , ููู ููู ุฃูููููุฑู ู ูุง ููุตููู ุงูููููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููููุฏู ููููุฑู , ููููููุณู ู ูุง ููุตููู ุงูููููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููุฑูุณูููููู ุชูุดูุจูููู"
Nuสฟaim ibn Hammฤd:
"ู ููู ุดูุจูููู ุงูููููู ุจูุดูููุกู ู ููู ุฎููููููู ููููุฏู ููููุฑู , ููู ููู ุฃูููููุฑู ู ูุง ููุตููู ุงูููููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููููุฏู ููููุฑู , ููููููุณู ู ูุง ููุตููู ุงูููููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููุฑูุณูููููู ุชูุดูุจูููู"
Nuสฟaim ibn Hammฤd ุฑูุญูู
ููู ูฑูููููฐูู:
"Whoever makes a comparison between Allฤh and his creation has disbelieved, and whoever denies that which Allฤh has described himself with has disbelieved, and that which Allฤh and his Messenger ๏ทบ have described does not entail tashbฤซh"
"Whoever makes a comparison between Allฤh and his creation has disbelieved, and whoever denies that which Allฤh has described himself with has disbelieved, and that which Allฤh and his Messenger ๏ทบ have described does not entail tashbฤซh"
Abลซ Isแธฅฤq al-แธคanbalฤซ in a debate when he was accused of tashbฤซh:
"ููููุงูู ูู: ุฃูุชู ุงูู ุดุจูุฉ ูููุช: ุญุงุดุง ููู ุงูู ุดุจู ุงูุฐู ูููู: ูุฌู ููุฌูู ููุฏ ููุฏู ูุฃู ุง ูุญู ููููู: ูููู ูุฌู ูู ุง ุฃุซุจุช ูููุณู ูุฌูุง ููู ูุฏ ูู ุง ุฃุซุจุช ูููุณู ูุฏุง ูููุณ ูู ุซูู ุดุฆ ููู ุงูุณู ูุน ุงูุจุตูุฑ ูู ู ููุงูู ููุฐูุง ููุฏ ุณูู "
"ููููุงูู ูู: ุฃูุชู ุงูู ุดุจูุฉ ูููุช: ุญุงุดุง ููู ุงูู ุดุจู ุงูุฐู ูููู: ูุฌู ููุฌูู ููุฏ ููุฏู ูุฃู ุง ูุญู ููููู: ูููู ูุฌู ูู ุง ุฃุซุจุช ูููุณู ูุฌูุง ููู ูุฏ ูู ุง ุฃุซุจุช ูููุณู ูุฏุง ูููุณ ูู ุซูู ุดุฆ ููู ุงูุณู ูุน ุงูุจุตูุฑ ูู ู ููุงูู ููุฐูุง ููุฏ ุณูู "
*The anthropomorphist is the one who says (Allฤh's) Face is like my face and (Allฤh's)Hand is like my hand. "
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"Rather, we say: โHe has a Face just as He has affirmed a face for Himself, and He has a Hand just as He affirmed a Hand for Himself (and) [There is nothing like Him; and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer 42:11] Whoever says this is indeed safe."
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al-แนขฤbลซnฤซ in his chapter "ุนููุฏุฉ ุฃูู ุงูุณูุฉ ูุงูุฌู
ุงุนุฉ ูู ุจุงุจ ุงูุตูุงุช":
"ููุง ูุญุฑููู ุงูููู ุนู ู ูุงุถุนูุ ุจุญู ู ุงููุฏูู ุนูู ุงููุนู ุชูู ุฃู ุงูููุชูู ุชุญุฑูู ุงูู ุนุชุฒูุฉ ูุงูุฌูู ูุฉ ุฃููููู ุงููู.
ููุง ูููููููู ุง ุจููู ุฃู ูุดุจููููู ุง ุจุฃูุฏู ุงูู ุฎูููููุ ุชุดุจูู ุงูู ุดุจูุฉ ุฎุฐููู ุงููู"
"ููุง ูุญุฑููู ุงูููู ุนู ู ูุงุถุนูุ ุจุญู ู ุงููุฏูู ุนูู ุงููุนู ุชูู ุฃู ุงูููุชูู ุชุญุฑูู ุงูู ุนุชุฒูุฉ ูุงูุฌูู ูุฉ ุฃููููู ุงููู.
ููุง ูููููููู ุง ุจููู ุฃู ูุดุจููููู ุง ุจุฃูุฏู ุงูู ุฎูููููุ ุชุดุจูู ุงูู ุดุจูุฉ ุฎุฐููู ุงููู"
al-แนขฤbลซnฤซ: They (ahl as-sunnah) don't distort the meaning by interpreting two hands as two powers like the muสฟtazilah & jahmiyyah, may Allฤh destroy them
They don't assign howness nor liken the Hands of Allฤh to the creation, as the anthropomorphists do, may Allฤh foresake them
They don't assign howness nor liken the Hands of Allฤh to the creation, as the anthropomorphists do, may Allฤh foresake them
adh-Dhahabฤซ: "ูุฅู ุงูุชุดุจูู ุฅูู
ุง ููุงู:ย ูุฏ ููุฏูุงุ ูุฃู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ููู ูุฏ ูุง ุชุดุจู ุงูุฃูุฏูุ ูู
ุง ุฃู ุฐุงุชู ูุง ุชุดุจู ุงูุฐูุงุชุ ูุณู
ุนู ูุง ูุดุจู ุงูุฃุณู
ุงุนุ ูุจุตุฑู ูุง ูุดุจู ุงูุฃุจุตุงุฑุ ููุง ูุฑู ุจูู ุงูุฌู
ูุน ูุฅู ุฐูู ุชูุฒูู"
adh-Dhahabฤซ: It's only tashbฤซh when one says a Hand like we have, But if it's said, (He has) a Hand that does not resemble hands (of man) just as His Essence does not resemble (the) essence (of man), His hearing does not resemble (the) hearing (of man), and-
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"His sight does not resemble (the) sight (of man), then that is indeed freeing Him from imperfection"
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al-Asbahฤnฤซ:
"ููููููุณู ูู ุซูู ุดูููุก ููููููู ูู ุชูุดูุจููู ูุชู ุซููุ ูููููู ุงูุณููู ููุน ุงููุจูุตููุฑุ ููููููู ูู ุชูุนูุทููู ููุชูุฃููููุ ููููุฐูุง ู ูุฐูููุจ ุฃูู ุงูุณููุฉ ููุงููุฌูู ูุงุนูุฉ"
"ููููููุณู ูู ุซูู ุดูููุก ููููููู ูู ุชูุดูุจููู ูุชู ุซููุ ูููููู ุงูุณููู ููุน ุงููุจูุตููุฑุ ููููููู ูู ุชูุนูุทููู ููุชูุฃููููุ ููููุฐูุง ู ูุฐูููุจ ุฃูู ุงูุณููุฉ ููุงููุฌูู ูุงุนูุฉ"
"[laysa kamithlihi shay 42:11] rules out any form of tashbฤซh and tamtฬฒhฬฒฤซl, and [He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer] negates any form taสฟแนญฤซl and taสพwฤซl. And this is the maแธhab of ahl as-sunnah wa l-jamฤสปah"
Ibn สฟAbd al-Barr on the accussations of the muสฟtazilah:
"ููู ูุญูุงูู ุฃููู ููููููู ู ููู ููุงูู ุนููู ุงูููููู ู ูุง ูููู ููู ููุชูุงุจููู ู ูููุตููุตู ู ูุดูุจููููุง ุฅูุฐูุง ููู ู ููููููููู ุดูููุฆูุง ููุฃูููุฑูู ุฃูููููู ููููุณู ููู ูุซููููู ุดูููุกู"
"ููู ูุญูุงูู ุฃููู ููููููู ู ููู ููุงูู ุนููู ุงูููููู ู ูุง ูููู ููู ููุชูุงุจููู ู ูููุตููุตู ู ูุดูุจููููุง ุฅูุฐูุง ููู ู ููููููููู ุดูููุฆูุง ููุฃูููุฑูู ุฃูููููู ููููุณู ููู ูุซููููู ุดูููุกู"
Ibn-สฟAbd-al-Barr:
"It's impossible to say that the one who says about Allฤh that which is in His Book is an anthropomorphist when He does not describe howness, and He affirms that there is nothing like Him"
"It's impossible to say that the one who says about Allฤh that which is in His Book is an anthropomorphist when He does not describe howness, and He affirms that there is nothing like Him"
Imฤm Al-Qฤsim:
"ููุง ููููุจูุบูู ููุฃูุญูุฏู ุฃููู ููุตููู ุงููููููู ุฅููููุง ุจูู ูุง ููุตููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููู ุงูููููุฑูุขููุ ููููุง ููุดูุจูููู ููุฏููููู ุจูุดูููุกูุ ููููุง ููุฌููููู ุจูุดูููุกูุ ูููููููู ููููููู: ูููู ููุฏูุงูู ููู ูุง ููุตููู ููููุณููู ููู ุงูููููุฑูุขููุ ูููููู ููุฌููู ููู ูุง ููุตููู ููููุณููู"
"ููุง ููููุจูุบูู ููุฃูุญูุฏู ุฃููู ููุตููู ุงููููููู ุฅููููุง ุจูู ูุง ููุตููู ุจููู ููููุณููู ููู ุงูููููุฑูุขููุ ููููุง ููุดูุจูููู ููุฏููููู ุจูุดูููุกูุ ููููุง ููุฌููููู ุจูุดูููุกูุ ูููููููู ููููููู: ูููู ููุฏูุงูู ููู ูุง ููุตููู ููููุณููู ููู ุงูููููุฑูุขููุ ูููููู ููุฌููู ููู ูุง ููุตููู ููููุณููู"
"It's not for anyone to describe Allฤh except with what He has described Himself with in the Qurสผฤn, and he does not compare His Hand with anything, nor His Face with anything."
"But, he should say: "He has two Hands just as He described Himself in the Qurสผฤn, He has a Face as He has described Himself with."
Ishฤq b.Rฤhwayh:
ุฅูู ุง ูููู ุงูุชุดุจูู ุฅุฐุง ูุงู: ูุฏ ููุฏุ ุฃู ู ุซู ูุฏุ ุฃู ุณู ุน ูุณู ุนุ ุฃู ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ูุฅุฐุง ูุงู: ุณู ุน ูุณู ุนุ ุฃู ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ููุฐุง ุงูุชุดุจูู.
ูุฃู ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ูู ุง ูุงู: ููู ุชุนุงูู ูุฏุ ูุณู ุนุ ูุจุตุฑุ ููุง ูููู: ูููุ ููุง ูููู: ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ููุง ูุณู ุนุ ููุฐุง ูุง ูููู ุชุดุจูููุงุ ููู ูู ุง ูุงู ุงููู ุชุนุงูู ูู ูุชุงุจู
ุฅูู ุง ูููู ุงูุชุดุจูู ุฅุฐุง ูุงู: ูุฏ ููุฏุ ุฃู ู ุซู ูุฏุ ุฃู ุณู ุน ูุณู ุนุ ุฃู ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ูุฅุฐุง ูุงู: ุณู ุน ูุณู ุนุ ุฃู ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ููุฐุง ุงูุชุดุจูู.
ูุฃู ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ูู ุง ูุงู: ููู ุชุนุงูู ูุฏุ ูุณู ุนุ ูุจุตุฑุ ููุง ูููู: ูููุ ููุง ูููู: ู ุซู ุณู ุนุ ููุง ูุณู ุนุ ููุฐุง ูุง ูููู ุชุดุจูููุงุ ููู ูู ุง ูุงู ุงููู ุชุนุงูู ูู ูุชุงุจู
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