[Response Thread š§µ]
[1] A Response to this Quote
[2] Ibn QudÄmahās Stance on Ź»Uluww
[3] Ibn QudÄmahās Stance on Allahās Attributes
[1] A Response to this Quote
[2] Ibn QudÄmahās Stance on Ź»Uluww
[3] Ibn QudÄmahās Stance on Allahās Attributes
[1] Firstly, it should be noted that heās just reiterating what al-GhazÄlÄ« said. Moreover, if you read it in context, heās speaking about the Ź¼Äyah of istiwÄŹ¼ amongst other Ź¼ÄyÄt.
Letās see what ibn QudÄmah has to say about istiwÄŹ¼ and Ź»uluww in general.
Letās see what ibn QudÄmah has to say about istiwÄŹ¼ and Ź»uluww in general.
![[1] Firstly, it should be noted that heās just reiterating what al-GhazÄlÄ« said. Moreover, if you re...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTaqz0PWYAArzXD.jpg)
![[1] Firstly, it should be noted that heās just reiterating what al-GhazÄlÄ« said. Moreover, if you re...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTaqz0RXEAAF8nP.jpg)
[2] Ibn QudÄmah reports that someone asked ibn al-Ź¼AŹ»rÄbÄ« what ļ“¾Ų§ŁŲ±ŲŁ
Ł Ų¹ŁŁ Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų±Ų“ Ų§Ų³ŲŖŁŁļ“æ means. He answers that it means Allah is above His throne.
Notice the difference between asking what the meaning is and asking how. When Ź¼ImÄm MÄlik was asked how, he rebuked the man.
Notice the difference between asking what the meaning is and asking how. When Ź¼ImÄm MÄlik was asked how, he rebuked the man.
![[2] Ibn QudÄmah reports that someone asked ibn al-Ź¼AŹ»rÄbÄ« what ļ“¾Ų§ŁŲ±ŲŁ
Ł Ų¹ŁŁ Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų±Ų“ Ų§Ų³ŲŖŁŁļ“æ means. He a...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTaq0pcWYAEFz4M.jpg)
![[2] Ibn QudÄmah reports that someone asked ibn al-Ź¼AŹ»rÄbÄ« what ļ“¾Ų§ŁŲ±ŲŁ
Ł Ų¹ŁŁ Ų§ŁŲ¹Ų±Ų“ Ų§Ų³ŲŖŁŁļ“æ means. He a...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTaq0sVWIAA4CWk.jpg)
Next, if we look at the beginning of his book, he groups many of the Ź¼ÄyÄt which indicate that Allah is above His throne such as the good words and the angels ascending towards Him, and even the Ź¼Äyah where FirŹ»awn wanted to build a tower because he believed MÅ«sÄ was a liar.
He quotes ibn Khuzaymah affirming that Allah is above His throne and that whoever denies it is a disbeliever.
According to Fakhr ud-DÄ«n ar-RÄzÄ«, ibn Khuzaymah committed shirk and was mentally deficient. I wonder why ibn QudÄmah was quoting a dumb mushrik.
According to Fakhr ud-DÄ«n ar-RÄzÄ«, ibn Khuzaymah committed shirk and was mentally deficient. I wonder why ibn QudÄmah was quoting a dumb mushrik.
Moreover, he even quotes the įø„adÄ«th of Allahās descent as a proof for Allah being above His throne. Notice how he uses a synonym for nuzÅ«l.
He even goes a step further and quotes ibn Ź»Abd il-Barr explaining this įø„adÄ«th.
Ibn al-JawzÄ« criticizes ibn Ź»Abd il-Barr for this, saying that he was ignorant to affirm a meaning for the descent. I wonder why ibn QudÄmah was quoting an ignorant įø„ashawÄ«.
Ibn al-JawzÄ« criticizes ibn Ź»Abd il-Barr for this, saying that he was ignorant to affirm a meaning for the descent. I wonder why ibn QudÄmah was quoting an ignorant įø„ashawÄ«.
[3] What was ibn QudÄmahās general stance regarding Allahās attributes?
He quotes ibn Ź»Abd il-Barrās famous statement where he says that we affirm these attributes in a real sense and not in a metaphorical sense.
He quotes ibn Ź»Abd il-Barrās famous statement where he says that we affirm these attributes in a real sense and not in a metaphorical sense.
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![[3] What was ibn QudÄmahās general stance regarding Allahās attributes?
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We also find ibn QudÄmah saying that we have to affirm the apparent meanings for Allahās attributes.
He even explains what apparent meanings are, saying that they can either be literal or metaphorical depending on the context.
He even explains what apparent meanings are, saying that they can either be literal or metaphorical depending on the context.
Futhermore, ibn QudÄmah likens the affirmation of these attributes to attributes like hearing, seeing, knowledge, and life. This indicates that he knew the meanings of all of Allahās attributes.
Ibn QudÄmah quotes Ź¼AbÅ« įø¤anÄ«fah saying that we shouldnāt speak about Allah having a body as this is the way of the philosophers, rather we should follow the Ź¼athar and the salaf.
He also affirms that Allah speaks in sounds and letters. From the apparent of what was said here, it also suggests that he believed Allah speaks when He wills.
I conclude with ibn QudÄmah defending Ź¼AbÅ« Ź¼IsmÄŹ»Ä«l al-HarawÄ« from the charges of anthropomorphism of ibn al-JawzÄ«.
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