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I’ll be proving the authenticity of this ʼathar attributed to Ḥammād ibn Zayd in which makān is affirmed for Allah.
ʼImām al-ʻUqaylī brings it in his book aḍ-Ḍuʻafāʼ al-Kabīr.
Bishr ibn as-Sarī asked Ḥammād ibn Zayd, “O ʼAbū ʼIsmāʻīl, the ḥadīth in which it says Allah تبارك وتعالى descends to the lowest heaven, [does it mean] He shifts from place to place?” Ḥammād remained silent.
Then he said, “He is in His Place, and He draws closer to His creation as He wills.”
Why does al-ʻUqaylī bring it in his book about weak narrators? Well, the work is also a compilation of narrators accused of innovating.
This ʼathar specifically is under the biography of Bishr ibn as-Sarī, and al-ʻUqaylī says that he is righteous in ḥadīth.
In the case of Bishr ibn as-Sarī, he is a narrator who repented from tajahhum. This is why he would be included in such a work.
The reason why the ʼathar would indicate that he was a Jahmī is because the Jahmiyyah were known to reject Allah’s Descent as it would mean that He moves from place to place. This was mentioned by al-Fuḍayl ibn ʻIyāḍ and al-Barbahārī.
All that aside, Bishr ibn as-Sarī is not even in the chain of narrators. He is simply asking the question to Ḥammād ibn Zayd.
The chain given by al-ʻUqaylī:
- Jaʻfar ibn Muḥammad al-Firyābī
- ʼAḥmad ibn Muḥammad al-Muqaddamī
- Sulaymān ibn Ḥarb
All three are reliable, and it’s perfectly connected.
Ibn Taymiyyah mentions that ibn Baṭṭah narrated it.
The chain given by ibn Baṭṭah:
- ʼAbū al-Qāsim Ḥafṣ ibn ʻUmar al-ʼArdabīlī
- ʼAbū Ḥātim ar-Rāzī
- Sulaymān ibn Ḥarb
Once again, all three are reliable, and it’s perfectly connected.

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