saw stuff about "caste discrimination is pervasive" among indian americans on my TL...to my knowledge, this is a total fabrication
i've said enough negative things about how some indians/browns behave in the west...i don't hold back
but i dislike lies a lot
i've said enough negative things about how some indians/browns behave in the west...i don't hold back
but i dislike lies a lot
i condensed most of the important points in my blog post: gnxp.com
but to review...
but to review...
1) most ppl of brown origin are skewed to the 'elite', and indian hindus are mostly 'upper caste.' 25% are brahmin. 1% are dalit. if there is discrimination against lower castes, it is quantitatively not pervasive since there aren't many lower castes
2) the US, is not, india. most people are not indian in positions of action and decision-making. so most indian americans who work with mostly non-indian/non-hindu ppl don't have to deal with caste in anyway. they are more likely to be assumed to be muslim by their colleagues
3) minority of indian american hindus who r 1.5 & 2nd gen (raised or born in the US) are particularly clueless about caste and a lot of indian social norms and values. mostly because they are american. patrolling brown university indian americans for caste is dumb for this reason
4) a nontrivial minority of indians work in highly indian envs...in that many brown people work there. BUT THIS IS NOT INDIA.
you have all sorts of regional and caste groupings thrown together. there may be some factionalizing, but caste does not operationalize like in india
you have all sorts of regional and caste groupings thrown together. there may be some factionalizing, but caste does not operationalize like in india
5) caste in india operates on jati, small communities that are regionally concentrated. there are not critical masses of this in north america except for perhaps patels (patidars) and jats. it's just totally not replicated in the US
6) 95% of indians marry with the same jati (there are 3,000). the latest data show 30-40% of indian americans don't even marry other indian amerians. most of the rest marry outside of jati. this is a totally non-indian social phenomenon...
7) americans view discrimination in the black-white lens. this is a relatively simple dichotomy. the indian context is totally different, exceedingly complex. 'porting' it over to other nations is pretty difficult-to-impossible. hasn't really translated even in mauritius
8) some indian americans do the "i'm so oppressed by white colonialism." mostly this is a lie or they are stupid and ignorant. most brown americans did OK with colonialism and british rule. many come from thousands of years of privilege (sorry). they do have privileges...but...
9) those privileges are over many types of other american groups, like old stock americans in the rural south, or black americans. the privileges are not 'white skin privilege,' but accumulated social and human capital that they transfer from the homeland. it doesn't dissipate
10) on average, brown americans have some personality tendencies that make us kind of successful and prominent, but also obnoxious and insufferable. i get why a lot of ppl hate us on racial grounds as they generalize. it is what it is...but caste is still not a thing
clarification: 30-40% of indian americans who were born and raised in the US. only like 10% of indians overall since most are immigrants who married in india
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