GeoConfirmed ISR-PAL.
A missile launched by Palestinian Groups exploded mid-air and one of the pieces fell on the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital's yard.
31.504822, 34.46169
Before reacting READ our thread.
1/X
A missile launched by Palestinian Groups exploded mid-air and one of the pieces fell on the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital's yard.
31.504822, 34.46169
Before reacting READ our thread.
1/X
Other footage:
2/X
2/X
GeoLocation by @Coupsure, @obretix and @YWNReporter.
Independently they came to the same conclusion.
The above footage is showing a rocket fail and breaking up in two pieces, one falling on the hospital.
POV of the video: 31.5139938, 34.4499253
3/X
Independently they came to the same conclusion.
The above footage is showing a rocket fail and breaking up in two pieces, one falling on the hospital.
POV of the video: 31.5139938, 34.4499253
3/X
Thread by @YWNReporter
4/X
4/X
Identification of different buildings visible in the footage:
6/X
6/X
Identification of different buildings visible in the footage:
7/X
7/X
Identification of different buildings visible in the footage:
8/X
8/X
Confirmation by @obretix:
9/X
9/X
More information:
10/X
10/X
Conclusion:
A missile launched by a Palestinian group exploded mid-air (Reason unknown) and one piece fell on the hospital causing an explosion.
The geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive.
More information will be added to this thread.
11/X
A missile launched by a Palestinian group exploded mid-air (Reason unknown) and one piece fell on the hospital causing an explosion.
The geolocation and timing of the footage is conclusive.
More information will be added to this thread.
11/X
GeoLocation:
13/X
13/X
Official reaction by IDF regarding the hospital explosion.
14/X
14/X
Some people reacting with "there are no groups with such big missiles/rockets"
wilsoncenter.org
Example: GeoLocation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad with BADR-3 rockets:
15/X
wilsoncenter.org
Example: GeoLocation of Palestinian Islamic Jihad with BADR-3 rockets:
15/X
"Islamic Jihad denied that any of its rockets were involved in the hospital blast, saying it did not have any activity in or around Gaza City at that time"
note: A rocket barrage was launched (end of video) but maybe not by Islamic Jihad.
Source: reuters.com
16/X
note: A rocket barrage was launched (end of video) but maybe not by Islamic Jihad.
Source: reuters.com
16/X
Important note:
Our conclusions are based on our geolocations:
That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason.
We are geolocators, not official investigators.
Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!
To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed.
17/X
Our conclusions are based on our geolocations:
That doesn't mean that they are THE truth, just what we think is highly likely based on our geolocations(facts) and logic/reason.
We are geolocators, not official investigators.
Do not take this conclusion as proven fact!
To be sure what really happened different official investigations are needed.
17/X
More information:
18/X
18/X
About the 'JDAM' claim:
The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) is a guidance tail kit that converts existing unguided free-fall bombs into accurate, adverse weather "smart" munitions.
So the whole 'listen to the sound' comparison is irrelevant. Because every JDAM could have another bomb and every bomb has his own sound. (Based on weather, humidity, wind, environment, ...)
It's impossible to compare.
More information: military.com
"JDAM claim"=
19/X
The Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) is a guidance tail kit that converts existing unguided free-fall bombs into accurate, adverse weather "smart" munitions.
So the whole 'listen to the sound' comparison is irrelevant. Because every JDAM could have another bomb and every bomb has his own sound. (Based on weather, humidity, wind, environment, ...)
It's impossible to compare.
More information: military.com
"JDAM claim"=
19/X
More information about the JDAM discussion.
(Read also who Justin Bronk is)
20/X
(Read also who Justin Bronk is)
20/X
A few hours later...
A lot of people don't seem to understand how OSint works. So little reminder:
OpenSource/OSint based conclusions are based on Open Source information that is provided/found at that specific time.
The facts matter.
After the publication of this thread new information was brought to our attention: we are looking into this new information.
If needed we adapt/update or even delete and restart our thread.
FACTS matter.
Ah yes: We never had more death threats than the ones in the last 8 hours.
Ask yourself the question before believing any of the different involved parties:
What have i seen for evidence that it was A or B that is responsible or do I just believe immediatly what one of the parties is claiming because it fits what i want to believe...
21/X
A lot of people don't seem to understand how OSint works. So little reminder:
OpenSource/OSint based conclusions are based on Open Source information that is provided/found at that specific time.
The facts matter.
After the publication of this thread new information was brought to our attention: we are looking into this new information.
If needed we adapt/update or even delete and restart our thread.
FACTS matter.
Ah yes: We never had more death threats than the ones in the last 8 hours.
Ask yourself the question before believing any of the different involved parties:
What have i seen for evidence that it was A or B that is responsible or do I just believe immediatly what one of the parties is claiming because it fits what i want to believe...
21/X
IDF published footage, from the location of the hospital, showing burned out cars.
This location matches with the fires visible in other footage.
22/X
This location matches with the fires visible in other footage.
22/X
We were working on the same questions as @Nrg8000 and he did a great job so we are just sharing his thread.
1. The damage in aftermath videos doesn't lookt to concur with airstrike aftermath.
(UAV footage from IDF and video's from the scene itself).
2. Based on the same footage:
How can this result in the claimed 500+ killed?
Read his thread π
23/X
1. The damage in aftermath videos doesn't lookt to concur with airstrike aftermath.
(UAV footage from IDF and video's from the scene itself).
2. Based on the same footage:
How can this result in the claimed 500+ killed?
Read his thread π
23/X
More information:
24/X
24/X
Another good investigation @Nrg8000 did before we could:
Proving that some of the camera footage spread to show that an IAF fighter is involved, is from another location and time.
25/X
Proving that some of the camera footage spread to show that an IAF fighter is involved, is from another location and time.
25/X
After looking to all the footage again, based on your feedback, we discovered some more interesting elements.
Lets review the initial footage of the strike step by step again.
We will reupload the video to make sure he isn't deleted.
You can decide for yourself.
26/X
Lets review the initial footage of the strike step by step again.
We will reupload the video to make sure he isn't deleted.
You can decide for yourself.
26/X
The first three seconds gives us a possible roughly direction of launch.
(Not a location, because it's difficult to estimate the distance)
27/X
(Not a location, because it's difficult to estimate the distance)
27/X
Here you see the roughly direction, but a launch is more curved. So it should be on the left of the arrow.
Rocket is flying to the left of the hospital.
So how would it be able to hit the hospital?
This we will answer in a few tweets.
28/X
Rocket is flying to the left of the hospital.
So how would it be able to hit the hospital?
This we will answer in a few tweets.
28/X
IDF released this footage.
Important for us is this quote:
"They shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital"
29/X
Important for us is this quote:
"They shot it from the cemetery behind the hospital"
29/X
What is in the direction of our arrow drawn to the potential launch direction:
The big cemetery next to hospital.
30/X
The big cemetery next to hospital.
30/X
But how is it possible that the rocket fell on the hospital, while it 'passed' its lateral direction.
Let's look to the remaining footage.
At 00:05 a little flash is visible, changing the direction of the rocket.
Interception by Iron Dome should be a proper explosion.
31/X
Let's look to the remaining footage.
At 00:05 a little flash is visible, changing the direction of the rocket.
Interception by Iron Dome should be a proper explosion.
31/X
At 00:07 a second flash is visible, changing the direction again.
The rocket is now flying back to the right from POV. "returning"
The POV seems to be staying the same and the camera footage doesn't seems to be cut. The flashes are possibly the result of rocket failure.
32/X
The rocket is now flying back to the right from POV. "returning"
The POV seems to be staying the same and the camera footage doesn't seems to be cut. The flashes are possibly the result of rocket failure.
32/X
00:10
The camera never changed nor is there any interruption in the footage, but the rocket is now flying to the right.
Camera is zoomed in resulting in a brighter view.
33/X
The camera never changed nor is there any interruption in the footage, but the rocket is now flying to the right.
Camera is zoomed in resulting in a brighter view.
33/X
00:10 - Rocket 'explodes'
34/X
34/X
00:10 - Directly after the explosion you see that the explosion occurred in the middle of the rocket.
You see the warhead and booster?/engine? separation.
35/X
You see the warhead and booster?/engine? separation.
35/X
00:11 -
The warhead is flying βto the rightβ from the POV β in the lateral direction of the hospital.
While the Engine/Booster is falling down.
This would mean that the Engine/booster would hit the ground first on the left of where the warhead would land.
36/X
The warhead is flying βto the rightβ from the POV β in the lateral direction of the hospital.
While the Engine/Booster is falling down.
This would mean that the Engine/booster would hit the ground first on the left of where the warhead would land.
36/X
00:16 - First explosion, left of the future right explosion, 6 seconds after separation.
= possible Engine?/Booster? hit the ground?
37/X
= possible Engine?/Booster? hit the ground?
37/X
00:18 - Second explosion, geolocated to the hospital.
To the right of the first explosion, 8 seconds after separation.
38/X
To the right of the first explosion, 8 seconds after separation.
38/X
01:29 - Camera pans out to film another rocket barrage.
(referring to the fact that Palestinian Islamic Jihad denied they launched rockets during this time, but it could be another organisation)
This was our investigation of the footage based on the information at hand.
39/X
(referring to the fact that Palestinian Islamic Jihad denied they launched rockets during this time, but it could be another organisation)
This was our investigation of the footage based on the information at hand.
39/X
Loading suggestions...