Stuff I found on various blogs:
1. The Indian N1a haplogroup is ancestral to the European:
The African/South Asian branch of N1a is characterized by control region motif 16147G, unlike the European and the Central Asian branches with the 16147A variant
The authors further mention that the African/S Asian 147G haplotype is ancestral to the European one.
All 4 of the Havyaka Brahmana samples were of the “147G” haplotype: bearing the “African/South Asian” specific branch of N1a — i.e. the haplotype ancestral to the derived European/Central Asian variant, “147A”.
The Munda-speaking Vanavasi is also 147G. Thus arguing for these Havyakas as being ancient and indigenous along with their related Munda-speaker, certainly where their mtDNA concerned.
1. The Indian N1a haplogroup is ancestral to the European:
The African/South Asian branch of N1a is characterized by control region motif 16147G, unlike the European and the Central Asian branches with the 16147A variant
The authors further mention that the African/S Asian 147G haplotype is ancestral to the European one.
All 4 of the Havyaka Brahmana samples were of the “147G” haplotype: bearing the “African/South Asian” specific branch of N1a — i.e. the haplotype ancestral to the derived European/Central Asian variant, “147A”.
The Munda-speaking Vanavasi is also 147G. Thus arguing for these Havyakas as being ancient and indigenous along with their related Munda-speaker, certainly where their mtDNA concerned.
N1a in Europe was not native but intrusive from the “Near East” since the neolithic. So there’s no need to pretend things that aren’t really European are suddenly European when supremacists want it to be.
– In any case, when the neolithic Anatolian ancient DNA samples — well before any European ones — show relevant deeper subclades of N1a, one can utterly rule out European or steppe origins for this and all N1a.
– In any case, when the neolithic Anatolian ancient DNA samples — well before any European ones — show relevant deeper subclades of N1a, one can utterly rule out European or steppe origins for this and all N1a.
2. Haplogroup H1 is common among upper castes.
Y-haplogroup H1 is higher in “upper castes” than others at India-wide average, higher in the west than even the south (but parent H is higher in the north), yet higher in “Dravidian” speakers than “IE” speakers. As per Arunkumar et al 2012 it occurs at an average frequency of 13.3% among southern brahmanas, but hits a high of 25% among the Saurashtrian brahmanas who migrated from Gujarat in the historic period.
Y-haplogroup H1 is higher in “upper castes” than others at India-wide average, higher in the west than even the south (but parent H is higher in the north), yet higher in “Dravidian” speakers than “IE” speakers. As per Arunkumar et al 2012 it occurs at an average frequency of 13.3% among southern brahmanas, but hits a high of 25% among the Saurashtrian brahmanas who migrated from Gujarat in the historic period.
3. H haplogroups in Iran and Anatolia show Indian introgression into Iran
Mazandarani Iranics bordering the Caucasus show H* (or some H subclade not yet identified in 2012), as well as H1a M82 (also happened with Tajiks)
Mazandarani Iranics bordering the Caucasus show H* (or some H subclade not yet identified in 2012), as well as H1a M82 (also happened with Tajiks)
4. Y-haplogroup R2 is higher in the south and east than north and west, higher in “lower castes” than in “upper castes”, higher in “Dravidian” speakers than “IE” speakers (Trivedi et al 2007).
5. H-1 occurs in Ukraine and its separate from Romani H-1
While Romani H1 introgression into European populations was specifically documented as such, the very Indic H1 occurring in Ukrainians at 2% was not listed as a gypsy-mediated Y-introgression. Perhaps, like L1c, H1 made it north at some point too.
While Romani H1 introgression into European populations was specifically documented as such, the very Indic H1 occurring in Ukrainians at 2% was not listed as a gypsy-mediated Y-introgression. Perhaps, like L1c, H1 made it north at some point too.
6. J-2 haplogroup, present in India since the neolithic, occurs at 40% among the Dravidian Toda tribe. This haplogroup also occurs among Persians.... and Oh the Armenians!
7. Haplogroup F, occuring highest in the IA speaking Sinhalese, has been found in Yamna.
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