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Iāll be answering this mushrikās claims, since there are numerous blunders here. Thatās what happens when you rely on Google Translateā¦
Iāll be answering this mushrikās claims, since there are numerous blunders here. Thatās what happens when you rely on Google Translateā¦
Weāll discuss the authenticity of this report later.
The first point is irrelevant.
Nowhere in the report does it say Ź»Umar just barged in. It simply says ŲÆŲ®Ł Ų¹ŁŁ ŁŲ§Ų·Ł Ų©. If this is the standard, then was your infallible Ź¼ImÄm barging in on his infallible wife???
The first point is irrelevant.
Nowhere in the report does it say Ź»Umar just barged in. It simply says ŲÆŲ®Ł Ų¹ŁŁ ŁŲ§Ų·Ł Ų©. If this is the standard, then was your infallible Ź¼ImÄm barging in on his infallible wife???
Now, I donāt know if you read your own translation, but it says that Ź»Umar said, āO daughter of the Messenger of Allah ļ·ŗ, by Allah, none in all of creation is more beloved to us than your father, and none is more beloved to us after him than you.ā
Ź»Umar is expressing his love for the Prophet ļ·ŗ and his daughter, why would he then choose to burn the house over her? Moreover, if you carry on reading the report, FÄį¹imah agrees with Ź»Umar that Ź»AlÄ« and az-Zubayr should pledge allegiance.
She said that after Ź»Umar left, hence you cannot claim that she was compelled to agree. Furthermore, the report does not threaten to burn the house over FÄį¹imah but over Ź»AlÄ« and az-Zubayr, and FÄį¹imah herself understood this, since she said, āHe will burn the house over you.ā
Also there is no mention of any āgangs.ā This isnāt the streets of Detroit, just save us the emotional language, and admit that youāre distorting a report that completely destroys your beliefs.
The narrators are all trustworthy, but the report is still weak because Ź¼Aslam is not an eyewitness. Now, you claim that he narrated this from Ź»Umar, but that cannot be possible because the report says Ź»Umar left, then it discusses FÄį¹imah speaking to Ź»AlÄ« and az-Zubayr.
This shows that it couldnāt have been that Ź¼Aslam narrated this from Ź»Umar. He couldnāt have narrated this unless heās omnipresent (a new infallible Ź¼imÄm??). The entire report doesnāt make any sense.
Now if you notice, it says ŁŁŁ which literally means āit is said.ā This is indicative that itās a weaker opinion.
Al-Ź»IjlÄ« confirms that he was a tÄbiŹ»Ä«.
Al-Ź»IjlÄ« confirms that he was a tÄbiŹ»Ä«.
The only reason this report is authentic is because we have another chain for it. Otherwise, itās mursal.
āFurther narrations,ā itās the same narration. The only difference is that al-BukhÄrÄ« reported from three different teachers, otherwise itās the same report.
In this report, itās clear that that Ź¼Aslam is rewording what Ź»Umar told him.
In this report, itās clear that that Ź¼Aslam is rewording what Ź»Umar told him.
There are no inconsistencies in this report unlike the other one you originally cited.
Moreover, we find the same report with its full chain in Musnad Ź¼Aįø„mad.
Moreover, we find the same report with its full chain in Musnad Ź¼Aįø„mad.
Your own scan says that ibn BashÄ«r is unknown. On top of that heās also a known fabricator. I couldnāt find a biography of his father either, so this report isnāt acceptable.
Please learn how to read. Ibn įø¤ajar says heās acceptable, but he is known for tadlÄ«s when narrating from weak narrators and unknown narrators. On top of that, ibn įø¤ajar was corrected on this point, ibn Ź¼Isįø„Äq is thiqah.
The narration is in disputable because if you did a little research, you would realize that ibn Ź¼Isįø„Äq narrated this from NÄfiŹ» who narrated it from ibn Ź»Umar.
This shows that you cannot argue against the fact that the report is disconnected.
This shows that you cannot argue against the fact that the report is disconnected.
Bringing up the topic of accepting reports from Ź»Urwah is entirely different. Itās not relevant to the topic, but if you really want to know, ad-DÄraquį¹nÄ« amongst a few others weakened this specific report.
Also, the name is Ź»Urwah, the tashkÄ«l is literally in front of youā¦
Also, the name is Ź»Urwah, the tashkÄ«l is literally in front of youā¦
The conclusion here is that youāre doing everything just to prove the authenticity of a disconnected report that ends your religion because it shows that your infallible woman disagreed with the infallible Ź¼ImÄm and that he should do as Ź»Umar said.
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